Joker Director Finally Explains That Last Crucial Scene

  • Published: 09 October 2019
  • Arthur Fleck's biggest joke just might be the one he pulled on you. Joker director Todd Phillips recently made a few very interesting comments to the Los Angeles Times about the final scene of the movie comments that imply a bizarre truth about the story being presented. In case that's not warning enough, be advised that major spoilers for Joker lie ahead.

    Joaquin Phoenix's Arthur is depicted early and often as having a tenuous grip on reality. The film eventually lets on that it's not always clear which events are fantasy and which are reality not to the audience, and presumably not to Arthur.

    At the end, Arthur is seen with his psychiatrist in Arkham State Hospital after he has apparently killed his mother, incited a riot, shot Murray Franklin on live television, and escaped from police custody with the help of his clown-masked followers. As the shrink attempts to question him, Arthur simply laughs, telling her that she wouldn't get the joke. According to Phillips, it's this particular laugh that might hold a clue about the true nature of the story that just unfolded. He explained,

    "That laugh in that scene is really the only time he laughs genuinely. There are different laughs in the movie. There is the laugh from Arthur's affliction and then there is his fake laugh when he's trying to be 'one of the people,' which is my favorite laugh. But at the end, when he's in the room at Arkham State Hospital, that's his only genuine laugh in the movie."

    Why is that, exactly? Well, perhaps because in the end, the joke is on us, the audience. Phillips has said that one of the main influences on his film was The Killing Joke, the acclaimed 1988 graphic novel in which the Joker says that if he must have a past, he, quote, "[prefers] it to be multiple choice." The director made a direct allusion to this dialogue in suggesting that as many fans have speculated Arthur Fleck might not necessarily be who we think he is. Phillips said,

    "There are lots of ways you could look at this movie. You could look at it and go, 'This is just one of his multiple-choice stories. None of it happened.' I don't want to say what it is. But a lot of people I've shown it to have said, 'Oh, I get it he's just made up a story. The whole movie is the joke. It's this thing this guy in Arkham Asylum concocted. He might not even be the Joker.'"

    Phillips went on to state outright that the man who will become Batman's nemesis may simply be in the background somewhere, watching all of these events play out. He said,

    "Maybe Joaquin's character inspired the Joker. You don't really know. His last line in the movie is, 'You wouldn't get it.' There's a lot going on in there that's interesting."

    Phoenix himself also explained that Joker can be seen not so much as a straightforward narrative, but as a series of suggestions. Keep watching the video to see that the Joker director finally explains that last crucial scene!

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  • Looper
    Looper   6 days back

    How much of Joker do you think really happened in the movie? Which parts?

    • Jeremiah Hauser
      Jeremiah Hauser  49 minutes back

      Use this one Looper.
      I take into account there are an incredible amount of possibilities so respect to the rest of my peers reccomendations. Here's my route, and I believe the most reliable.
      The Joker has a plan for all his victims, period. The Joker told an incredibly great joke. Stating he inadvertently started a movement by killing those three men is bold.
      Firstly, Arthur has a very child like mind. For instance his reactions from his confrontation with Thomas Wayne to him watching the woman being bullied or advanced on, not knowing if that's even the proper way men should treat women, displays a very peculiar person indeed, a child perhaps.

      Secondly, it's dry and less colorful than other stories we might have expected. Even though the realism of it adds a daunting beauty and life to it, it's still not an action packed ride people were expecting. It was gritty and dim, minus his show premiere with Murray at the end.

      We notice he is cunning, despite having childish issues in reference to how he sneaks around. His delusion when she knocked on the door to ask if he had followed her, she asked him if he was going to rob her, he openly and not being humourous at all stated, "I can if you want. I've got a gun." She laughs and then he laughs because she did. He wasn't being funny. He was being genuine.

      This should tell you enough about your character by now. Children fabricate things all the time, especially abused children. It pleases them, makes them feel like they fit in. Makes the world make sense when they're alone and misunderstood. They also are inherently honest.

      Why would his coworker randomly give him a gun and front it just to lie and say he tried to buy one from him so it helped motivate his boss to fire him? Because the joker imagined that. Why else would that same guy come visit him? Something doesn't add up. He just leaves the body there? The cops come to talk to him out of nowhere? Did the midget call or was it something else they came for?

      To me it seems like he's been planning it all. He planned it all. Just that he doesn't plan his delusions, and is constantly imagining and doing heinous things because well shit, he can't even tell the difference. He's suffering in ways only a person with his mental issue can truly relate. We are all left to assume he's the Joker, but in reality he's an abused foster child. He could have been crazy genetically, the abuse just made it even worse.
      The scene where the story unwinds is when he's tearing his clown shoe apart. He's splitting into two, drastically. His body almost looks as if it's splitting in two itself.
      He is completely unhinged here, he is denouncing his former self and tearing it from him. He loses his fears and gains his alter ego, the Joker. He was a carnival, as he stated his stage name originally was. An event full of different personalities. Out of the multiple layers of torment, his only form of relief finally got out and won the fight in his mind. The Joker, the green haired madman.

    • realGeorgeWashington
      realGeorgeWashington  55 minutes back

      Shawn Thompson that’s seriously the stupidest thing i’ve heard in months

    • Shawn Thompson
      Shawn Thompson  4 hours back

      I have to watch it a second time, but I really think when ever he is smoking, that's when he's in the moment and things are actually happening.

    • Jonathan Henry
      Jonathan Henry  19 hours back

      @Joseph Bernard Lets just agree to disagree. In my opinion a 100% imaginary movie is as lame as it gets but I would never really hate the movie because I don't believe for a second what you do but I think eventually I will be proved correct if they do a sequel which is looking more & more possible especially since the movie is making so much $$$. I saw that same exact interview with Joaquin Phoenix & you are looking way to into it. He is just being honest. He simply never really had a dream of working as an actor aside a Batman actor in Batman movie. Thats it. Also that doesn't mean he doesn't want to be in a batman movie. He never had a dream of playing Jpker either but now he sais it was his favorite role. You'll see...when the sequal comes out it will be obvious that the whole thing was imaginary theory is crap & the director was the real Joker here cause he played a huge joke on you.

    • Baxter Burns
      Baxter Burns  21 hours back

      Only thing that happened between him and that girl was in the elevator. The date never happened nor him kissing her at the door

  • Eldred Dsouza
    Eldred Dsouza  2 hours back

    The ‘it’s not even the real joker’ theory? Just shut up. He is! *PERIOD*

    • Adam Contreras
      Adam Contreras  3 hours back

      I really hope they don’t say what actually happened and I hope they introduce him falling into a vat and further developing his character, maybe it helps him age slower so that he may grow to fight the Batman

      • Andrew Hewitt
        Andrew Hewitt  3 hours back

        This shit better not be made up in his head, that would be dumb as fuck. Especially if they ever made a 2nd movie, (which honestly I wouldn’t mind if they just left it with this 1), but it would render this entire movie except the last scene useless.

        • EaST CoAsT MaCHete
          EaST CoAsT MaCHete  4 hours back

          A Cinematic Masterpiece .

          • Puly M
            Puly M  5 hours back

            He’s just playing with us. What would be the point about telling the story of the Joker that turns out not to be the Joker!? I believe the idea behind all this is leave it to our imagination due that the joker is crazy and as any other person with a psychological issue, we won’t be able to understand him fully or see what’s the true intention behind his actions. At the end we have to came up with our own explanation of what happened. We can believe whatever we want to believe. It would be really stupid that the story ends up being about a random guy

            • SacKing_916_
              SacKing_916_  5 hours back

              Well it is called "Joker" not THE JOKER

              • Preston Thompson
                Preston Thompson  5 hours back

                I think he was intended to be the real joker. My interpretation was that this was a troubled person that had a heart. He took care of his Mom and he wasn’t vengeful at first. Eventually he gave in and he became The Joker when he decided that his problems were the same thing as his identity. In other words, he was just a sad guy that never found any answers in his life.

                • Mdmazing
                  Mdmazing  6 hours back

                  Just watched American psyco, joker was a total rip off lmao

                  • riopato2009
                    riopato2009  7 hours back

                    It would be awesome if Todd Philips didn't really make a Joker origin film but instead made a Red Hood origin film and the person who became the real Joker is the unknown man under the red hood who fell in the vat of chemicals.

                    • Ismael Rodriguez
                      Ismael Rodriguez  7 hours back

                      If Arthur is not the original Joker but a man with a mental condition, on which the REAL Joker character is based on , then what is the point on watching this Twight Light Zone Joker type of a movie if WE ARE not witnessing the REAL Joker and his origin story ?. I am not going to watch this travesti!!!

                      • LacrossePunk20
                        LacrossePunk20  7 hours back

                        Arthur would be pretty old by the time he faces Batman. He's the inspiration for the real Joker, in my humble opinion.

                        • ToddthaGod
                          ToddthaGod  8 hours back

                          I think Phillip is lying saying Batman won’t face joker. DC will literally force him bcuz it’ll be a box office hit no matter what

                          • Michael Haflich
                            Michael Haflich  8 hours back

                            Before The Joker film
                            Everyone: Doesn’t want to learn The Joker’s past
                            After the Joker film
                            Everyone: Well wtf is his past?

                            • Dwuan
                              Dwuan  9 hours back

                              How can you make a “Joker” movie, albeit an original retelling, and it not be the Joker? Ok... DC and WB’s has screwed up again. They made a compelling film, but now trying to make it some deep, mental, “Matrix” thing. Oh not to mention the Director just ruined the idea or hopeful promise that this AWESOME Joker incarnation will never meet The Batman. They are so dumb.

                              • Sebastián Dongo
                                Sebastián Dongo  10 hours back

                                People in the comment section are desperate to know the truth, and so am I :'^(

                                • Jonathan Pratte
                                  Jonathan Pratte  10 hours back


                                  • Tony Marshall
                                    Tony Marshall  10 hours back

                                    I'm fine with him not being the actual joker but inspiring the real joker. The whole made up story makes the film seem less interesting

                                    • Ben Mulvey
                                      Ben Mulvey  10 hours back

                                      Endgame was garbage Joker was a masterpiece!

                                      • Gavan Weimer
                                        Gavan Weimer  10 hours back

                                        That ending should be so terrible

                                        • Dj Ferrer
                                          Dj Ferrer  10 hours back

                                          I just want Joaquin to win a damn Oscar, it took how many years for Leo to win, but this should be and better be Joaquins success with this acting goal to get the academy. I haven't even seen the movie it's already giving me the creeps how he plays joker and how insanely good he plays joker (dark dark joker). Up until Heath, Joaquin plays the best joker and the scariest one so far. Heath is looking down "give him the best actor award or else"

                                          • The Kid
                                            The Kid  11 hours back

                                            Hot take: Joker is better than a lot of marvel movies

                                            • Medalion
                                              Medalion  11 hours back

                                              The idea that this character insipred the REAL Joker one day... is akin to what GOTHAM was trying to do with Jerome/Jeremiah Valeska.

                                              • Kendel Tompkins
                                                Kendel Tompkins  11 hours back

                                                This made me more upset than I was when I walked out of that movie

                                                • Joce Williamovski
                                                  Joce Williamovski  11 hours back

                                                  Arthur hooking up with that pretty girl was definitely a hallucintion lol I was like yeah right.. just like that? It makes sense now haha

                                                  • M-T
                                                    M-T  11 hours back

                                                    What people are missing so crucially is, is that the story was purposely made to be in the perspective of a delusional man.

                                                    Question, do people who hallucinate *KNOW* what are hallucinations or not? Answer : No

                                                    Seeing as *EVERYTHING* is in the perspective of Arthur, we cannot say for sure what has happened or what has not.
                                                    If this was a movie about anything or anyone other than "joker", then that makes for a *SHIT* movie.
                                                    However, due to the context of who this movie is about, it makes PERFECT sense as to how vague / confusing the story is.

                                                    If you're a fan of DC Joker, then you'd know exactly why Joker's origin is special, it's because he doesn't have one (canonically). A movie making one for him is of course going to get the ire of some fans, but seeing that it is set in his perspective, we cannot really say for certain if anything is really true.
                                                    One possibility is that this would be used as a narrative for the real joker (for the upcoming batman movie with Robert), wherein the joker is going on a monologue about how he got "these scars" (callback to Heath Ledger), and he'd say a summary of the movie + "and I was a spectator, and was inspired by him, so I used a razor to cut open my mouth, that's it".

                                                    • luapchen
                                                      luapchen  12 hours back

                                                      Does anyone know what the Joker meant with that last „You wouldn‘t get it.“?

                                                      • The Gift Of Jericho Y2H HZR

                                                        I'd like to believe it was very 50/50. And that he is the real Joker however some parts were exaggerated, or maybe even made up. It's like an "old tale" where it's core is true but the way it's told is perspective. Maybe this was the Joker's personal perspective, how it felt. Where as everything else is from a different perspective.

                                                        • LeoUSA33
                                                          LeoUSA33  13 hours back

                                                          If Arthur is not the Joker, then it defeats the purpose of the movie, in my opinion.

                                                          • Perry Sar
                                                            Perry Sar  13 hours back

                                                            What about the suicide scene with the refrigerator???....did he die??? ....

                                                            • TheMetal Hammer
                                                              TheMetal Hammer  14 hours back

                                                              Joker's Sequel: Turns out that Jared Leto has framed Arthur and waiting the right moment to reveal himself as the real Joker

                                                              • Cookie herbalqueen_
                                                                Cookie herbalqueen_  14 hours back

                                                                I wanna know NOWWWWWWW

                                                                • Phea7
                                                                  Phea7  15 hours back

                                                                  No, please. They created the best Joker's origin story ever. Don't tell me that it's fake or that Arthur was only an inspiration to "true" Joker. Please, don't.

                                                                  • Ekkk
                                                                    Ekkk  13 hours back

                                                                    They said it's up to interpretation. It may be real, it may be a hallucination, there's no objectively correct answer.

                                                                • BarT xxx
                                                                  BarT xxx  15 hours back

                                                                  Ok. I have made this comment before on other videos but I'll say it again.
                                                                  The fridge scene is important. Arthur Fleck did not come out from that fridge. Those fridges back in the days were known to be dead traps.
                                                                  Any events happened after the fridge scene were just hallucinations of Arthur's oxygen deprived brain.
                                                                  Joker doesn't have to be Arthur Fleck. Joker is not a one man , it is an idea. This is shown to us plenty times in the movie by everybody wearing clown masks
                                                                  Even the comics never told us his real name.
                                                                  The timeline is also consistent with this theory as Bruce Wayne won't be Batman for another 15 -20 years when he meets Joker which can not be Arthur Fleck as he would be roughly around 60 years old.
                                                                  Yes folks , you heard me, Arthur Fleck died in that fridge.

                                                                  • Music Selector
                                                                    Music Selector  16 hours back

                                                                    Relax on the depth behind the movie, how easy is it to write and film a story with imaginary twists leaving you to wonder the validity of it’s realism. Get over it pretentious Hollywood, it’s been there and done that manifolds over.

                                                                    • 718nycarlo
                                                                      718nycarlo  16 hours back

                                                                      lazy theory. video made just to ride the hype and catch views 🙄

                                                                      • FURinTeeth
                                                                        FURinTeeth  16 hours back

                                                                        3:13 THANK GOD!!!

                                                                        • John HENDRICKS
                                                                          John HENDRICKS  16 hours back

                                                                          Thank God, I think this version of Joker will better without Batman match up this should be it's own world if they decide to do a sequel.

                                                                          • FUN MINUTE
                                                                            FUN MINUTE  17 hours back

                                                                            I don't wanna know about the last scene 😢

                                                                            for me ... Everything was perfect to my senses 👌😚

                                                                            • Jared Haught
                                                                              Jared Haught  17 hours back

                                                                              I think most of the ending actually happened. It shows development from the beginning.

                                                                              • Luthfi Randhika
                                                                                Luthfi Randhika  18 hours back

                                                                                My theory is : he is already the Joker, the whole thing is one of his multiple choises of his past. This scene happened after he is captured by Batman and brought to the asylum. And i like to think that this version of Joker knows that bruce wayne is Batman but doesn't care about telling it to anyone. That's why bruce wayne's past is a part of his "Joke".

                                                                                • Luthfi Randhika
                                                                                  Luthfi Randhika  18 hours back

                                                                                  "Then, why does he imagined that his past was tragic? He's the joker, he doest care about anything!".
                                                                                  Well, in the killing joke comic, he said to Batman :
                                                                                  "Something like that (a tragic past) happened to me, you know. I.. i'm not exactly sure what it was. Sometimes i remember it one way, sometimes another..."
                                                                                  "If im going to have a past, i prefer it to be multiple choise! HA HA HA.. "

                                                                                • Luthfi Randhika
                                                                                  Luthfi Randhika  18 hours back

                                                                                  The name Arthur fleck might also be one of many names he thinks his real name is. Because the joker said in the killing joke comic that he remember his past to be some way and sometimes another.

                                                                              • Kernel Linux
                                                                                Kernel Linux  18 hours back

                                                                                During the movie you see this guy with a clown mask watching Joker in the background through all of this, the same person that killed Bruce’s parents at the end and the Joker laughs and says “it’s between me and him” - “him” being the real Joker.

                                                                                • Samantha Pattinson
                                                                                  Samantha Pattinson  19 hours back

                                                                                  I hope that everything was not a dream

                                                                                  • Lycx
                                                                                    Lycx  19 hours back

                                                                                    but if he just imagined the whole movie (/scenes) in his head, why are bruces parents dead? something like a havoc must be happened

                                                                                    • Dave C
                                                                                      Dave C  19 hours back

                                                                                      This is awful...
                                                                                      Showing me this movie...
                                                                                      Telling me it's Joker's origin...
                                                                                      You just wanted to subvert my expectations....
                                                                                      You're just like the rest of 'um!

                                                                                      • Morgan Vierheller
                                                                                        Morgan Vierheller  20 hours back

                                                                                        Think for yourself. Determine your own perspective.

                                                                                        • GianZ73
                                                                                          GianZ73  20 hours back

                                                                                          If all of Joker's life is imagined, who's imagining it? Maybe not a specific person/character, but all of us. It's a movie: a "daydream" imagined by its authors and the public together in a sort of collective dream. We, as a society, produce our world: our dreams (as our acts) reflect that, including our fears and desires. So do movies. In a way, we are creating the Joker together: we give him life as the people wearing the mask give him a collective status, a "recognized" villain identity.

                                                                                          • david bright
                                                                                            david bright  20 hours back

                                                                                            I took it that fleck joker is a symbol of the madness spreading in Gotham. And at the end we see the person that becomes the joker kill batman parents.